If a game is too hard for a kid especially, they won’t want to keep playing and learning. Sounds like she should have just skipped the trip to the store I was at and gone home. I have 3 children (2, 4, and 6) and when I am shelling out bucks for a date, I want to have a conversation with my husband. I know I don’t drag my kids running errands if it’s their naptime or haven’t eaten, cause then meltdowns are bound to happen. I think if people used their judgement there would not be a need to ban kids from anywhere. I don’t care if there are 50 kids in a restaurant where I came to enjoy a quiet evening as long as they are for the most part well-behaved. I agree with some of the people and their new studies on divided church. A high end restaurant is one of them. I was about to post something similar to this. I do understand if parents feel discriminated against, tough. A child’s brain does not function as an adult’s brain does and therefore, they do not have the capacity to think logically, understand reason, or control their emotions. As a mother of a one year old, I have taken my child to pub-like bars at times–she did SXSW and I breastfed her at shows–but she’s a well-behaved, easy-going kid. No flying No shipping 40% reduction in heating 40% reduction in appliance energy use 40% reduction in food chain supply and cooking energy No iron ore or limestone – all recycled. The other side of the discussion has to do with 1) how parents allow thier children to become the center of the universe, thus creating little monsters 2) how children who are un-trained and rule the roost of their households behave when in public places. I want to enjoy my meal and the experience. Engage this family:) Invite them over, find out what they are looking for in a church, and see if they are interested in the idea of “family ministry” There are lots of ways to facilitate the presence of children within the service. No, I have no problem with children free zones. And sometimes, kids have outbursts then get it back together again. How wonderful it was to have grandparents, aunts, uncles, and cousins around, to help set examples, and provide a caring village, that set healthy expectations and boundaries. I think many facilities are having to put policies like this in place because parents are not using reasonable judgement. At the same time we also don’t take them to an upscale fancy restaurant. Bree on July 29, 2011 at 8:42 am I absolutely agree that certain places should be off limits to children. She tells the boy, “don’t worry, Daddy is on his way and he is going to fix it.” I started to think, ok this boy is going to get it when Dad gets her, but no, he was going to bring him another candy bar!!!!!!!!!!! :o) I’m glad I’m not the only one that happens too! Why do the lousy parents feel their monster child has the right to act as they wish in every restaurant or on every flight, but the huge number of adults who’d like a peaceful meal without kids are made to feel guilty for it? A responsible parent will respond to their child’s misbehavior and either correct or leave. I also like the idea of banning kids in the movies after a certain time, like 6pm. But how are chidren supposed to learn how to behave in public if they arent allowed there. There was no age restriction for the show, but recommended for over 12. If more parents were willing to ‘parent’ rather than do as they please with kids in tow, I would have more trouble with these policies. I could go anywhere with them at a very young age because we did not tolerate misbehavior. But then again, I understand when you’re running a business establishment you’re there to make your customers happy and if you have parents with a misbehaved child that doesn’t do anything about it, then you might end up losing customers. It’s better to go to a family friendly place where they can enjoy themselves without disturbing those around them if they are too young to understand what is expected of them in a more formal environment. I have absolutely no problem with this. And yes many could do better to teach them manners but children in our world are NOT OPTIONAL. two, i can see WHY places are deciding to do this..i can not tell you how many times i have had to listen to my son ask,”why do THEY get to run around?”. I could sense that so many of us around them wanted the baby to calm down not because it was bothering us but because we knew it was a stress for the parents. I understand your point, but I have a feeling the children in Jesus time knew how to behave in public, if their Jewish mothers were anything like the Jewish ladies I answered to! I think that there are times when, truly, children should be seen and not heard. He’s not there for the point of being there. Kids free zone, I’m all for it but more importantly we need parents to step up and be responsible. Just because you are free to do whatever you choose does not mean you should. Here’s where I got lucky; she never tested me till she was old enough for this, around 3&1/2. My two cents! But the usher saw him start to wiggle and whisper “Mama”…. If you expect a hassle-free flight then you shouldn’t fly, even on first class. i have a god child who well is a little brat. If that’s what it takes to keep people from impressing their moody kids on others, or making people understand that allowing their children to be a distraction is rude, then that’s what it takes. (Ie: no Steak & Ale when the kids were with us, but a local Mexican place with a play area instead.) When they start running around or throw a tantrum I quickly grab my last items and head to check out. However, your 5 year-old may be mature enough for experiences that mine is not, we should be the ones to make that determination. I certainly prefer that parents do their best to help children learn to respect those around them. What is so hard about saying, “Your child is disrupting the other customers, please remove them.” If it’s a restaurant, they could offer to box up their food. Many of these restaurants ban children but allow dogs. I live in Florida, and have had more problems with rude old men than I ve ever had with kids. We can only teach them right from wrong and how to respect others, then hope they follow suit. Maybe talk to the family away from church and/or offer some quiet activity materials, inviting the other child to sit with yours with crayons and coloring books? And I think it is ok to want adults only time. adults are much more in control over their behavior than kids. If we segregate children they will never learn to become mature adults. More because I hate seeing parents condoning bad behavior by not leaving wherever it is. Businesses have the right to refuse service to anyone at any time for no good reason. And, it takes practice. Could there be a cultural shift taking place. There are some places and events that don’t make sense for children to be at – it’s not fair to the kids or the adults. aren’t appropriate in every setting. And it’s also difficult to control infants and young toddlers when they don’t know any better and/or are tired. it was hugely annoying. If your kids can act appropriately in these settings, I applaud you! bc.rcmp.ca. The buzz really got going when a Whole Foods Market in Missouri announced a new event: two hours of free babysitting while you go shopping, every Friday in August. As many comments have already stated, the problem begins at home. The dad was trying to convince her that she liked cucumbers! Oooh, and what about banning ethnic people from planes if I dont like the smell of their skin.. Question #1 ….If companies have a right to do what they want and ban children from their establishment, then why is it NOT okay for that same establishment to ban a particular race? . Play as a big giant pet eating pellets of food, or become a fearsome predator in our top new online snake simulator games. Toddlers running and screaming in restaurants? Well, I have only one kid but I think I like to respect adults and their space in places like Starbucks. I have a friend who believes in answering every her childs questions no matter what or when it is to encourage learning…I believe some things are age appropriate and that some things are best explained in private. If a place is not family friendly, they don’t get my business. After quite a long time, his older brother came for him and said for him to stop running away. They also knew that if they did not behave that there were consequences. I am involved in a very family oriented religion and can not even imagine it without them. My parents were often complimented on how well their children behaved in restaurants, stores, planes and other public areas. My parents (the hippy generation) have called out of control behavior “just a phase” where as my grandparents, in the same situation, have encouraged us to take the child out of the restaurant, discipline them, and return them once they are willing to act appropriately. Let the businesses that want to cater to adults only be able to do so. I am always struck when reading Jane Austen books of how children are considered bothersome. NONE OF US SHOULD HAVE TO PUT UP WITH OUT-OF-CONTROL SCREAMING BRATS IN PUBLIC!!! Why is Disneyland feeling the need to record this message and repeat it on EVERY attraction? Most parents will remove their children if that is not possible. if we are sandwiched between two tables of screamers…well that is tough, and our money was not well spent. But we are in public, so no one should be annoyed by the act of the child being taken out. I think the crux of the problem is that there are adults who are failing at their responsibilities as parents and because of them, those of us with children capable of social mores and positive behavior, are being punished. That said, some venues are more appropriate than others. I understand that kids misbehaving in public isn’t always something that other people want to deal with, but by secluding them away from places, how will they ever learn how to behave properly? The right to not be discriminated against based on age, gender, religion, etc…. In the end a nurse had to step in and break them up. Parents can drop off their kids — the young ones can enjoy crafts and books; Mom and Dad can shop without the grabby hands or whining. I think we need to get our priorities straight. So, since we’ve handed the decision over to businesses, vote with your dollar. I am both much more and much less judgemental of badly behaving kids and their parents now than I was before I had kids. them to suit their own selfish needs. So why not let them scream like a banshee in public, right? I also think it’s a little bit…I don’t want to say selfish, but that’s the best word I can come up with…it’s a little bit selfish to think that you can go into public and not have other people around you. I’m sorry but sometimes it just has to happen. Now everyone’s afraid of confrontation. Knowing that these people can go to a child free restaurant/hotel/whatever makes me a more relaxed mom, actually. I think the biggest difficulties come in situations where it’s NOT easy to remove the kids for just a few minutes (movie, theater, musical event, airplane), but where you would have to leave entirely, giving up the money and time you have already invested. As much as I love children, I have to agree with public establishments banning children, what a sad statement on our society in many ways. Probably I’m repeating sentiments already shared … But grocery stores? I guess it’s up to the establishment to decide, but I would think they’d lose a lot of business because of it. Not long ago I was in an Applebee’s where a child was throwing a fit and other patrons were looking at the parents to do something about it, and the mom actually said, “You can just throw a fit! Pictures of signs that politely but firmly ask parents with young children to go away have been making the rounds online. But– Regardless on the movie topic, I do see both sides of the issue, but I think as parents, when we are out on our date night or on a solo grocery store trip (aren’t those fun–you can linger!) Guess how many times that happened? What about a disruptive adult? parents who let kids talk during church, those who talk loudly on cell phones in quiet coffee shops, gum poppers in libraries – you get my drift). That being said, most reasonable parents wouldn’t take their kids to obviously “adult only material” places… it just doesn’t make logical sense to expose your kids to some things. An employee told him to stay put and called for his mom over the loud speaker. He must have kicked the seat of the woman in front of us when he was trying to climb up. Children need teaching and training and I think (myself included) we can “turn a deaf ear” to our children because of our own interests or responsibilities. Consider also the attack on the public school system, head start programs etc. Kidzone Worksheets for Children. As for the comment about government intervention in other countries (like China) I’m not sure that’s the logical conclusion of private businesses laying down guidelines that should be common sense. @Susan Just to be clear, businesses don’t have the right to choose who they do business with. . But I don’t appreciate it when I go to dinner or a movie, or even when I’m shopping, and there’s a kid throwing a screaming, kicking tantrum and the parents aren’t doing anything about it. * A well-behaved child is well rested and well fed with nutritional meals and snacks. I never ever thought I would have to deal with situations like that. He probably had nightmares for a month. We want them to be quiet, emotionless unless the emotions are convenient for us, little robots and then we get angry when they don’t meet our incredible demands. That parent should have been pro-active to prevent the child from being uncomfortable and reacting in that way. Why does American society think it’s okay to treat a child as somehow less of a person than an adult? For the most part it’s not pretty. I completely agree! Karma. It becomes very apparent that when parents do not do their jobs, children get a very different label and are not valued for what they truly are. If the child is not attended to and continues to distract, then I feel that is the problem. Really how are kids ever going to live in an adult world if they only see adult environments when they are eighteen…you would never dream of letting them drive a car at sixteen if they had never ever crossed a road before. I read the news about the PA restaurant but the other items are new to me. He revealed that his first name began with the letter "A." As a mother of young children I’m appalled at how some parents allow their children to speak to them. 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