Not the best NJ surf reel because it’s fast but even so my collection now includes 4 650s 2 850s 2 750s 2 5500s and I think 2 or 3 in the 400 series. How about “On The Water” South version?? C $52.14. The U. S. and foreign reels … My parents also bought me a 2 piece Actionrod (most of the decaling is gone, I think it was made by South Bend but my memory could be wrong) to go with the reel, I used that for some lighter ocean fishing as well as fresh, I did have to replace the eyes on it about 30 years ago but I still use the rod today. I guess I wish I was 17. Although only three companies in the U.S., Penn, ZeeBaas, and Accurate, assemble or make reels in America, I should be fair in saying that China, Japan, and other Asian countries do a fine job of turning out quality products. But I use exclusively Penn Z 706 circa 1980’s. After that, with a whole month’s paper route money, I bought good stuff. Fishing Reel . Much can be garnered from an old photograph, like the one above featuring Joe Carrie hefting a 34-pound bass. 1947. Winning bid: AU $41.00 [ 2 bids] Postage: May not post to United States - Read item description or contact seller for postage options. You do not need $700+ reel to land quality fish. I, too, really enjoyed the article which I stumble across while trying to find info about my first spinning reel, a Pfleuger that had a pickup but no bail. Very old reel so not sure if they morphed into another company or not. Another great reel that’s lasted the test of time. Hello Ralph, Nice historic writeup. Those were great days and now the toys are more expensive but the joy of fishing still remains in our hearts as we fish through the next month before calling the end to the season. It had a full bail with an external trip, contrary to the half bail on most European reels. Even better memories. He is holding a fiberglass surf rod with Perfection wire guides and Neocork grips. Take care of them and they will live forever. The first reel I bought that did not come with a combo but was first viewed under glass and brought home in a box was a late 80tys vintage Abu Garcia Cardinal. Thanks, you brought back great memories. I fished it with the first rod I built on a 6 ft Lamiglass, cork seat and two rings to hold her down. You can see more info on our facebook.com/visserreels and soon to be launched website. History of Fishing Reels. In fact the only issue I had with the article was the statement that Daiwa reels weren’t in use till the late 70’s, early 80’s. I am still using the Crack 3000 I got as a gift in 1983. Over the next few years, parts for the reel became rare and fetched black market prices, leaving the Penn 704 and 706 as the only options. by snoekjaeger » Tue Jan 02, 2007 11:12 am, Post Don’t forget that there were no waterproof reels back then. Carl's main business has never been in fishing products. Mr. Roastbeef, or Best Offer. Big mouth Charlie showed up one day with the first spinning reel we had ever seen. I also had a couple of Luxors a while back and couldn't recall seeing those holes in the cup. This is from the ORCA site from a member there First the history, (early) LUXOR reels were all designed by Paul Mauborgne. Have had offers to upgrade to newer models but , why? I have a lot of fishing poles, ranging from ultra lights to 50 wide tuna reels. Fishing Reel Super Paoli Similar Of Luxor Supreme Pezon And Mitchel. Vintageclassic Pezon . I can't help you with the holes in the rotor cup my model didn't have any. ORCA Online Forum - Feel free to talk or ask about ALL kinds of old tackle here, with an emphasis on old reels! Of all these reels, the Luxor and the Penn were the most popular, primarily due to their strength and reliability. I also have a 1947 polar cub fan. Article is great. Now I fish the $500+ In the surf and never feel the need to break the down mid season. The only markings on it are Luxor - Pexon & Michel License P. Mauborgne Made in France - Brevette S.G.D.G. He lived near the Weihe River about 3, 000 years ago. Mitchell and Delfino did compete, but both reels had reliability issues. Many reel makers use a graphite or synthetic material, while others use aluminum. Other manufacturers have reels costing several hundred dollars more that have between five and seven ball bearings. In the early 60s the production site was enlarged and moved to Montichiari, always in the same Brescia’s province. Built 4 or 5 or 6 rods from those kits…fly rods, surf and bait casting rods. Get the best deals on Luxor Reel when you shop the largest online selection at eBay.com. I still have my first spinner, the Mitchell 300 that came with two spools. The reel is marked sauhon-LUXOR-mer , PEZON ET MICHEL , Made in France , LICENCE P. MAUBORG These outfits replaced my original Calcutta surf rod and 155 penn conventional reel loaded with 36 lb braided nylon, which I could barely cast into the surf in Seaside Park, N.J. So hoping to buy these few old vintage reels mentioned in this articles, availability is a big ?? by snoekjaeger » Tue Jan 02, 2007 2:04 pm, Post Great read! I also own two large fresh water Daiwa spinning reel that date from the early 70’s. The NAME Luxor was owned by Pezon et Michel. My first true surf reel was a Mitchell. popular. Post I have been researching reels trying to find the Rookie company in Japan with no luck. After the war spinning reel importation and production in the US increased rapidly, and spinning became one of the most popular techniques used by American fishermen. Made in Korea. In the 60s and 70s, the Luxor was the top choice among serious surfcasters on Long Island and in Rhode Island, but trouble was brewing in France with Pezon et Michel, the distributor of the Luxor. I’ll take my VS and VSB’s all day long. Some reels have metal for the gear housing and graphite for the rotor. I would like to take exception to one comment however. However I do want to let you know that I started an new brand again under the name VISSER. I own much newer Daiwa & Shimano reels, but still use all my Mitchells, because quite frankly I haven’t found anything else that fishes appreciably better. The mechanics of both reels are very similar, but I freely admit that these submersible reels are superbly constructed. I remember having a Crack Spinning Reel. More specifically… brand, length, and number of pieces? I have fished many reels for striped bass from $30 to $250 before slowly up grading to VS reels. The question I have is about the holes in the spool and spool housing. Attention antique / vintage reel collectors. Sold for. Back then at 11 or 12 to me Cardinal equaled the best. The LuXor 3's are the biggest & technically similar to the CrAck 300's & are the forerunners of the Van Staal spinning reels.The "B" stopped being made 1959 & a "C" version was made for 1960 to 1967 and there was smaller 200 version. From United States. The story happened in the late years of the Shang dynasty. Of the many reels that ABU Garcia markets, one reel is still made in Sweden and a company named Peerless BAM still produces spinning reels in the southwest of France. Very informative I think it was a 302 ? His main business is injection molding. Thanks for a great article, great retrospective! After World War II, a wealthy American sportsman named Bache Brown went to France, where he helped develop a small spinning reel that he named after himself and brought to the United States to market. Smeared a little grease here and there and it runs like a new one. New In . Get the best deals on Vintage Spinning Fishing Reels when you shop the largest online selection at eBay.com. My keen ability to read is as good as my inability to spell. Jul 17, 2017 - Explore Michael Marshall's board "Vintage fishing reels" on Pinterest. Save luxor reel to get e-mail alerts and updates on your eBay Feed. It was not a very large reel, weighing in at 16 ounces and holding 250 yards of 15-pound-test monofilament. ANTIQUE FISHING REELS. Take a nap as you just troll then fight a fish for 36 hours 300 yard out . | See details . Collector's Reel (rare) LUXOR- FRANCE. Top Luxor Fishing Charters & Tours: See reviews and photos of fishing charters & tours in Luxor, Egypt on Tripadvisor. He decided to create the “Shimano Iron Works Company” in Sakai City, Japan. Accurate Fishing Products was launched in 1990 as a division of our parent company, Accurate Grinding and Manufacturing Corporation, in Los Angeles, California. Accurate Grinding is a family-owned operation, established in 1950, when Michael DeMarco developed specialized techniques to manufacture jet turbine engine components at a time when precision aerospace manufacturing was just beginning … I cant really see the markings but here is some info on Luxor reels. Not sure if these were available until the 60’s, but they were incredible spin reels back then. The spinning reel was in the back of my old shed, which had been abandoned for years (diseases that limit mobility are at the bottom of the list of non-life threatening illnesses) and has a leaky roof. It’s still in great working condition. I agree with you Roastbeef. This was the end of the Kentucky reel makers and their finely tuned and crafted reels, and the beginning of modern bait casting. Like I said I still use it, it’s my go to reel for heavy freshwater fishing now that I don’t live near the ocean anymore. Thanks in advance for your help! However, although ball bearings are relatively cheap, they do come in various qualities. Cheers boys enjoy the salty water and 2nd mortgage Payment for your spinning reel, Any information on the 1973 brandie corporation and the trigmatic spinning reel model S-410A. A decade or so later, just about every manufacturer adopted this design. The holes in the spool are factory. First the history, (early) LUXOR reels were all designed by Paul Mauborgne. I came into possession of some very old reels (some of which are referenced in article) and have been trying to ID and put a date range to them. The 704 and 706 were (and still are) excellent reels still made in America. The two adversaries became involved in endless court battles, and around 1980, production of the Crack ceased. Even better memories, Enjoyed the history.l have one spinning reels web site, All of today’s spinning reels have greatly improved drag systems – miles ahead of the crude, early drag systems. http://www.fishingways.com/. I am impressed Jean-Paul. We take reels for granted nowadays, but they have only become a standard feature in angler's kit relatively recently - and even now, their use isn't entirely universal, as any roach pole fisherman will tell you. After I finish my questions about this Luxor I will post 6 pictures. See more ideas about vintage fishing reels, fishing reels, vintage fishing. The latter is used when the reel maker wants a very slow spool motion for what is called a long cast reel marketed by Shimano, Daiwa, and Penn. Attached is a Centaure French-made spinning reel that is taped to the rod for a warmer grip in cold weather. I still have my Penn 710Z Spinning Reel that I believe I purchased during the 70’s. I bought my first surf reel the day after the world record striper was caught in Atlantic City- 2-Penn 704z reels($40.00 each) and not only still have them but use them every spring and fall. As a boy of 13 or so in Seattle 1953-55 I spent precious $ on a couple of really terrible Japanese rod/reel sets that broke my heart. The reels listed here are in no particular order, although I have tried to group them by maker. No other reel in the history of fishing can come close to matching that longevity. Nice Vintage PEZON & MICHEL Luxor Fishing Reel + Box. I have had of my own few reels collection namely 300/302/306 Mitchell France When i opened it, it looked quite a bit like the innards of the Penn 704-706 reels. They are most often (but not always) used in conjunction with a fishing rod. Thanks! I thought the fisherman in the picture was wearing golf shoes when I saw those spikes. Cast after cast he would catch a fish and yell; ”I got another one”, like we should all be happy for him. They are bulletproof and will last forever, Your email address will not be published. I took it down and it was frozen. Sign up for our FREE Fishing Reports Today! Thanks Jean-Paul, I am on my way to EBay. Any thought about a period correct reel? The manufacturers usually indicate which metal is used, unless they use zinc, in which case they don’t want to brag about it. $79.00. What about a mention of Alcedo 2CS, I have a Bache Brown reel as shown but in mint condition. The long rods of slender wood left the stage. Mostly no in America but the efficacy in the art of ling casting is undeniable. 1932. Skip to main content. New In Box, Pezon And Michel Luxor No. by Brian F. » Tue Jan 02, 2007 2:46 pm, Post Fishing reel is a device that is a part of a fishing rod. And both still work well. 1947. The Van Staal didn’t appear until 1991—about 30 years too late for me and other early wetsuiters. So I have a $200 reel that has to be serviced once a year at $50 a shot or a $50 reel that I can service as it needs to. by m3040c » Tue Jan 02, 2007 3:45 pm, Post And I have fished with a lot of friends who love their Van Staals and Zeebaas reels. I have recently sold most of my conventional PENN reels since most of my fishing is in the surf. You missed one up and coming US manufacturer of spinning and fly reels. Site customizations by DavidIQ. Luxor (/ ˈ l ʌ k s ɔːr, ˈ l ʊ k ... History. Very easy to maintain. This was always a weak point in many past reels, but in 1991 the then-new Van Staal solved this problem by building into the pinion drive a one-way roller bearing, which was very effective and trouble-free. Finally, there are ball bearings. COMPLETE DEPENDABILITY! Seigler reels are also made in ‘murica! The Zero Hour Bomb Company, maker of electric time bombs for oil drilling, is incorporated in Tulsa, Oklahoma. That same year, Airex brought out a new model called the Beachcomber. The spinning reel was brought to America in the 1940s by Bache Brown. Unfortunately, My go-to setup when snappers hit the bays was my Alcedo micron with 4lb test mono on a 6 foot rod. Followed in 1956 by making their first derailleurs. Moulinet LUXOR Reels I have a Moulinet LUXOR MER et SAUMON No.3 and a Moulinet LUXOR MER et SAUMON No. I think $32.95 for a Luxor, which I still have. Fishing reels appeared for the first time in China. They’ve given me years of trouble free service ensured by annual maintenance. Another issue among spinning reels is that of the anti-reverse. History. I recently sold such a spool. I have fished surf reels in the $250- area that I loved but felt I had to and did completely break the down 2 to 3 times mid season. I did notice one and the eBay number was 9361092900937. Vintage Collectable Fishing Reel "Luxor" Condition: Used. Its going to be a shame when I can’t get parts for the good Z series. I have owned 1 Zeebaas and 2 Van Stall reels and the old Penn Z series work just as good, they may not be as fast or as smooth, but they do the job very well. They were in perfect condition when sold and will last many more years. This brief article will give you some insight into the history of fishing reels and where they are at now. The Centaure and the RU faded in popularity in the 60s, probably due to their half bail features that most anglers did not like. Don’t forget that there were no waterproof reels … Reels back in that day had some sort of weird paint, I’ve beat this reel, you know because for a while I was a kid, and the paint never chipped or scratched down to the metal. From Bulgaria. This feature made it the reel of choice for wetsuit-wearing fishermen, who came on the scene at Montauk in the early 1960s. Most of those European companies still market reels for European consumption, but they are all made in China. Replaced it with the 5500 VI. Reels are used in angling and competitive casting. All the rest of the reels either have a crosswind gear cam driven by the main drive gear or an oscillation worm gear for the spool reciprocation. Great article Both the Van Staal and the ZeeBaas are essentially waterproof Luxors. in that condition maybe worth $50. For gear construction, there is stainless steel, brass (an alloy of copper and zinc), bronze (an alloy of copper and tin), zinc, aluminum, and duraluminum (an alloy of copper and aluminum). Lastly, there is the question of what the reel body made of. Are these needed for fishing? A cam, sometimes called an eccentric, is a mechanical linkage to transfer rotating motion to linear motion; in other words, what makes the spool of the reel reciprocate. Are they original? Recently, I opened a Daiwa and realized you have to go to special school, need special tools and special lubricants.. Gee, not like the old days ! by m3040c » Tue Jan 02, 2007 11:55 am, Post To me the difference (for this argument let’s say $550+ vs $250-) Is less maintenance and complete dependability. It is a full-time feature, though several reel companies do allow the anti-reverse to be defeated on some of their models. Great article Thank you, I grew up Surf fishing on the west coast of California. Not made in cheena. It was probably 1954 or 1955 and my dad brought home two of them, one for each of us, and Shakespeare rods. I learned a lot. I don’t normally use new reels as all of my vintages reels gives me what I want It hung in the garage since 1980. Shop with confidence. They include multiple Mitchells from ultra light, several 300’s and 306 & 302 saltwater reels. In more scientific terms, a fishing reel “deploys and retrieves fishing line by using a spool mounted on an axle”. Next, there is the issue of the reel cam. My first was a Dam Quick was about 50 $ in the 1950’s His company was purchased in 1947 by the toymaker Lionel and named Airex. Maintenance was easy, three screws opened her up, put some grease on the gears and closed her up. Unfortunately, I am unable to locate it. Fixed-spool or spinning reels were first invented and used in Europe in the 1930s. I still have both reels but that surf rod I’m afraid is lost to history. Penn came out with a surf spinning reel in 1961—the model 700, later refined to the 704 and 706. He had them made under his supervision by a company called LLM. Salt water fishing is like golf of fishing. All are in perfect condition, work well and require very little maintenance. by m3040c » Tue Jan 02, 2007 1:47 pm, Post I would like to ask one more question. Its role is to wind and stow a line. They are a credit No mention of the ABU Cardinal reels imported from Sweden by Zebco. I have fished Long Island from Long Beach to Montauk. I've sold all of them and averaged about $75.00 each. I am in the process of having a very vintage 10 ft surf rod restored to it’s former glory. I lost it on Plum Island fishing at night in 1964 when a big fish of some kind ripped the rod and reel out of a stake and the entire unit went out to sea never to be seen again. Must have been special boots for the surf fisherman? LuXors were originally brought into the US by GIs after WWII. by m3040c » Tue Jan 02, 2007 8:34 pm, Post Doesnt look much different then it did when I bought it. German made DAM 220 ,Zebco 80L, Ted williams 401 both from Japan, 1980s Daiwa , Shimano and Penn, also from Japan AFTERMARKET PRODUCTS FOR PENN REELS Before Carl began to produce reels, he made aftermarket products for Penn reels. It took 10 years after the demise of Crack before another suitable surf reel was created—the Van Staal. I enjoyed the article. By using my keen sense of being able to read (maybe someday I will even learn to spell), I deduce that this reel is a 1949 Second version with a manual pick up because it has the "License P Mauborne" markings and it does not have a folding handle, with this handle you have to loosen the handle screw and turn it around. My first spinning reel in the early 50’s was a Langley with a Harnell rod. I really liked those kits. Required fields are marked *, Copyright © 2021 On The Water, LLC. He had them made under his supervision by a company called LLM. All the best. I have quite a few Penn Z series reels and I love them. I took it apart and cleaned and lubed it after every time I either surfed, pier or boat fished in the ocean just to make sure it wouldn’t corrode. At this time, Shimano started to manufacture bicycle parts, such as single free-wheels. Then graduated to Ru Mer reels until the 80″s. Vintageclassic Pezon And Michel Luxor No.3 Meretsaumon Huge Spinning Reel. 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